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Even if he is not the president of my country,...
I LOVE OBAMA! *cheers for him*

www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_o…

I really hope that this isnt the first and last step to the day where everyone can love WHO they want, no matter what gender the partner is...

I really really hope those days will come... soon!

LOVE for everyone! :heart:

Greetz~!

Saya
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kitsukami Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Personally, I could care less about who a person does or does not love based on gender. And they have a [insert category here]-pride month for practically everything else, so I'm not particularly impressed with that either. The only thing that's ever bothered me about this whole mess is the marriage portion of the whole homosexual agenda. The fact that it's held in a church. And in the church, it's rules are pretty strict about that kind of thing. I just feel like an organization outside of the church is trying to change the basis of the church's rules. But I suppose most people would say, "Who cares about the church?! They can just shove it!" But at the same time, I wonder where people got the right to change or completely void the beliefs of another culture. Anyway, wild tangent aside, I suppose someone's happy, and I guess I should be happy for them. :shrug:
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Amasis Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
You're talking about a religious marriage X3;; If all marriages were like that, atheists would find it very hard to get married, no? There are religious marriages, and there are legal marriages. They're both marriages and the same marriages in the eye of the law as far as rights go. I myself am not interested in making the church accept my relationship. I do not have to get married in a church to be married. However, it is illegal for me in my state to go before a secular member of the supposedly secular legal system with the authority to marry a straight couple, to ask for a marriage license so I can marry my sweetheart.
THAT, by and large, is what serious gay couple are after. I agree, trying to change or overrun an entire religion or religions is wrong. But religion doesn't have a monopoly on the right to marry couples.

TL;DR - Religion has the right to refuse to marry me within their churches and they have the right to, within their churches, refuse to recognize my marriage. They do not have the right to refuse me going to the proper secular authorities to obtain a marriage license and getting married that way, or to keep the legal system from recognizing my marriage.
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lurfly Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
Because churches are nonprofit the government has threatened to take away their nonprofit status and therefore their tax breaks if they did not support gay marriages in their facilities. Also a church was sued for firing a singer after finding out he was gay. I think its somewhat ridiculous that a church would need to continue to pay and employ someone who didn't represent their beliefs.
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Hymakari Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2009  Student General Artist
I may be late in finding this Jurnal, but I decided to read it and the posts on it anyways...

I use to be part of a church (LDS Church aka a mormon church), and I was going to get kicked-out/excommunicated if I didn't stop being gay/homosexual. I left before that could happen since I have no intentions of just deciding that I would stop being who I am just to fit in. I don't know anything about goverment rules about churches and things involving gay marriages, or other things of the like.
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lurfly Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2009
I'm not quite sure I understand what you're trying to say in response to my post, unless you're just telling your story, in which case that sounds like a very unpleasant experience and I'm sorry your church was so closed minded =/
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Hymakari Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2009  Student General Artist
I was mentioning how close minded my church has been. It sucks, but I got over it. Yet, my dad still tried tog get me to go... o,o (he is still in denial that I'm gay... lol)
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lurfly Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2009
Ah okay I understand now, I'm sorry :( I 'm fortunate enough to go to a church that is extremely open minded, we're all about the love. But its a catholic church which is definitely different from mormon churches so that might explain some of it.
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Amasis Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
And I agree. As long as the person was singing in religious functions, the church should have the right to fire him. I don't... agree with it from the standpoint of that just not being a nice thing to do, especially if he didn't make it 'obvious' that he was gay, but I do agree that they should have that right and that it's ridiculous to force them into it, by lawsuits or any other means.
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lurfly Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2009
True, true. Then again people are being fired or just not hired for having pictures of themselves drinking on facebook or myspace. Nothing wrong with that either, doesn't mean the person is automatically a huge party animal, but companies just don't want that image. I see it in almost the same way, neither person is doing anything wrong, just don't have the right image.
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kitsukami Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Then why not fight for a change in the marriage license system, rather than a change in the churches? As for atheists, the marriage they are making isn't considered wrong by the church. Therefore, the marriage itself isn't breaking their biblical "code."

Perhaps I'm just making a whole lot of hoopla over nothing that really concerns me, but I do believe that while I think church-held marriages should follow certain rules, marriage benefits should not just be held for a certain group of people. So while I do agree with you that it's wrong that the government would attach benefits to something not everyone can achieve (for the moment, at least), I still don't feel all that comfortable about gay church marriages.

All that being said, I can't force anyone to choose a lifestyle. In the end it's up to them. And I do believe that the church, in trying to do so, is overstepping its boundaries. I have to agree with the gay community on that.
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