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  • Mood: Happy
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Even if he is not the president of my country,...
I LOVE OBAMA! *cheers for him*

www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_o…

I really hope that this isnt the first and last step to the day where everyone can love WHO they want, no matter what gender the partner is...

I really really hope those days will come... soon!

LOVE for everyone! :heart:

Greetz~!

Saya
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kitsukami Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Personally, I could care less about who a person does or does not love based on gender. And they have a [insert category here]-pride month for practically everything else, so I'm not particularly impressed with that either. The only thing that's ever bothered me about this whole mess is the marriage portion of the whole homosexual agenda. The fact that it's held in a church. And in the church, it's rules are pretty strict about that kind of thing. I just feel like an organization outside of the church is trying to change the basis of the church's rules. But I suppose most people would say, "Who cares about the church?! They can just shove it!" But at the same time, I wonder where people got the right to change or completely void the beliefs of another culture. Anyway, wild tangent aside, I suppose someone's happy, and I guess I should be happy for them. :shrug:
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Amasis Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
You're talking about a religious marriage X3;; If all marriages were like that, atheists would find it very hard to get married, no? There are religious marriages, and there are legal marriages. They're both marriages and the same marriages in the eye of the law as far as rights go. I myself am not interested in making the church accept my relationship. I do not have to get married in a church to be married. However, it is illegal for me in my state to go before a secular member of the supposedly secular legal system with the authority to marry a straight couple, to ask for a marriage license so I can marry my sweetheart.
THAT, by and large, is what serious gay couple are after. I agree, trying to change or overrun an entire religion or religions is wrong. But religion doesn't have a monopoly on the right to marry couples.

TL;DR - Religion has the right to refuse to marry me within their churches and they have the right to, within their churches, refuse to recognize my marriage. They do not have the right to refuse me going to the proper secular authorities to obtain a marriage license and getting married that way, or to keep the legal system from recognizing my marriage.
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lurfly Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
Because churches are nonprofit the government has threatened to take away their nonprofit status and therefore their tax breaks if they did not support gay marriages in their facilities. Also a church was sued for firing a singer after finding out he was gay. I think its somewhat ridiculous that a church would need to continue to pay and employ someone who didn't represent their beliefs.
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Hymakari Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2009  Student General Artist
I may be late in finding this Jurnal, but I decided to read it and the posts on it anyways...

I use to be part of a church (LDS Church aka a mormon church), and I was going to get kicked-out/excommunicated if I didn't stop being gay/homosexual. I left before that could happen since I have no intentions of just deciding that I would stop being who I am just to fit in. I don't know anything about goverment rules about churches and things involving gay marriages, or other things of the like.
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lurfly Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2009
I'm not quite sure I understand what you're trying to say in response to my post, unless you're just telling your story, in which case that sounds like a very unpleasant experience and I'm sorry your church was so closed minded =/
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Hymakari Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2009  Student General Artist
I was mentioning how close minded my church has been. It sucks, but I got over it. Yet, my dad still tried tog get me to go... o,o (he is still in denial that I'm gay... lol)
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lurfly Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2009
Ah okay I understand now, I'm sorry :( I 'm fortunate enough to go to a church that is extremely open minded, we're all about the love. But its a catholic church which is definitely different from mormon churches so that might explain some of it.
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Amasis Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
And I agree. As long as the person was singing in religious functions, the church should have the right to fire him. I don't... agree with it from the standpoint of that just not being a nice thing to do, especially if he didn't make it 'obvious' that he was gay, but I do agree that they should have that right and that it's ridiculous to force them into it, by lawsuits or any other means.
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lurfly Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2009
True, true. Then again people are being fired or just not hired for having pictures of themselves drinking on facebook or myspace. Nothing wrong with that either, doesn't mean the person is automatically a huge party animal, but companies just don't want that image. I see it in almost the same way, neither person is doing anything wrong, just don't have the right image.
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kitsukami Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
Then why not fight for a change in the marriage license system, rather than a change in the churches? As for atheists, the marriage they are making isn't considered wrong by the church. Therefore, the marriage itself isn't breaking their biblical "code."

Perhaps I'm just making a whole lot of hoopla over nothing that really concerns me, but I do believe that while I think church-held marriages should follow certain rules, marriage benefits should not just be held for a certain group of people. So while I do agree with you that it's wrong that the government would attach benefits to something not everyone can achieve (for the moment, at least), I still don't feel all that comfortable about gay church marriages.

All that being said, I can't force anyone to choose a lifestyle. In the end it's up to them. And I do believe that the church, in trying to do so, is overstepping its boundaries. I have to agree with the gay community on that.
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Amasis Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
Er... I think you misunderstand me? I was saying the church does not have a monopoly on marrying rights, and thus shouldn't be able to keep a gay couple from a secular marriage such as a straight atheist couple might enjoy. From what I can tell, what you said is in agreement more or less completely with what I said. I stated that a church should be able to determine who/what can get married in their buildings and that I believe it's wrong to force the church to go against its belief system.

I'm aware that a lot of the very public outcry from the gay community towards religion is one of forcing it to change. However, the public face of any one group of people is often more 'militant' than most of those people, and my experience with many of the more 'day to day' 'common' etc. gay, lesbian, etc. people is just wanting the legal rights and to hell with making the church do anything.

Though partly the outcry being directed on the church is because of how, despite the 'separation of church and state', America is still mixing church and state and religious leaders will often preach politics. While I've met gay couples with the 'to hell with the church, we just need the rights' attitude, I have met couples with the 'the church HAS to recognize us'. Their explanation was that, from what they could see, the church is so deeply entrenched in everythign that they have to change the church to get the rights.
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kitsukami Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
I see. I apologize. I suppose I simply misread. |D
Anyway, it was nice having an intelligent conversation on the matter, and I found it quite enjoyable and refreshing. Thank you for your time and patience. :3
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Amasis Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2009
Not a problem. I agree, actual conversation is good~ X3
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lurfly Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
There are radicals however the church as a whole (and the official doctrine) supports gay people in that they should be accepted in society and treated just as well as everyone else. They discourage people from being gay and are against sexual relations between gay couples (much the same way in which they are against sex between unmarried couples so it isn't really prejudiced in my mind). Officially the church does not want to force gays to change, they wouldn't be against it lol, but they respect them.

Unfortunately countless individuals give the church a bad name by discriminating and hating gays in the name of their religion. That is completely against the churches beliefs and it makes me sad that the church is being criticized for "hating gay people".
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Naymless Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
:D How cool is that.
Thanks for sharing, by the way!
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CrushMyVelvet Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009  Hobbyist Artist
Awww, yeah, I loves me some Obama. :D
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morphin Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009
I support having the same rights as the couple next door, because I, too, pay my taxes, and work, and make my effort to lead a good life. Even with the whole 'marriage' issue - fuck, call it whatever you want, as long as I have the same rights as heterosexual couples!

And I suppose those that find this insulting and unnecessary still believe gay people are simply trying to get attention. It's a shame, really, one would think they'd be a little smarter and see that the real intention is simply to reach equality. Besides, in what way does my preference/orientation affect you? If you don't like it, then stay away from me. :c I'm not going to rub it in your face.
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Sayael Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
Sometimes I have the feeling that a Gay couple could be better parents because they have to "work" for a child... in a way to make others believe that they are as good parents as normal couples!
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morphin Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
I can see your point here. Besides, there are so many kids in foster homes and adoption programs, allowing gay couples to adopt would give them a chance to have a good home. We can be very, very good parents!

I've noticed many heterosexual couples take so many things for granted. For example, my girlfriend cannot marry me and sponsor me for a resident visa for the United States, so we're forced to be apart a lot of the time -- unlike a heterosexual couple that can marry and be together easily in comparison. Things like getting married, adopting... hell, even kissing in public or holding hands as you walk in the park! It's easier to do that now, but you'll still get angry looks from people from time to time. |:
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Sayael Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
Heteros just have it easier... they cant understand, how hard it is for homosexual couples... =/
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morphin Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
Yes. D: Though I still have hope that eventually, we'll both be able to coexist peacefully... and I hope heterosexual couples, knowing how hard homosexual couples have it sometimes, will also learn to value what they have and try harder.
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Animus3 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009
;A;
I'm so glad I voted for him!
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netminder69 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009
Since he's so awesome, how do you feel about him saying that gays shouldn't be married? :)
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Sayael Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
Was it really him or those stupid people who voted against it?
At leas the cares about them.
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netminder69 Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
Here's the video of him saying it: [link]

Now I wouldn't put it past him to be talking out of both sides of his mouth (he could have been telling people what they wanted to hear), he is a politician after all and his campaign and presidency so far has shown that he is very adept at double speak. :)
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Sayael Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
Well in some states it is allowed. He just cant change it for EVERYONE since half of the country was against it..
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lurfly Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009
Hmmmm?
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Nny-chan Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009
My god, I love that man. I am so glad I voted for him.

I think what the people who don't agree with this is that by doing this, it's setting up for even bigger changes. That's why LGBT Pride month matters.
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carpenoctem09 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009
<rant> As I just read through some of these comments, why should people comment saying "I'm hetero...blah friggin' blah..."? What does it matter if two people of the same gender want to get married? If them getting married is going to undermine your straight relationship, then you had some problems beforehand. </rant>

anywho
It's about time :XD:
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AtalantaAsahoshi Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
I love you, man.
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carpenoctem09 Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
uhm, thanks. I love you, as well.
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AtalantaAsahoshi Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
lol Sorry. I didn't know what else to say. I love what you said.
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carpenoctem09 Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
It's okay. It's just the truth and nothing more.
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chomp-the-yeti Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009
One thing down, hope he does more. Unfortunately he became president at the worst possible time with the economy and all. His claims that the economy is becoming better seems to be false. Hope he starts a green movement or something with the hybrids. Solar panels are a couple grand (US dollars) I think it was 8000. Hope he passes something to drop those...

Oh sorry I sort of went off on stuff. Yes yes gay pride month. I thought that was in august?

Hope you have fun during the month.

I feel I must say this for some reason @_@
No I am not a homosexual, but I am quite supportive for those who are. :)
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Sayael Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
Well I dun live in america, yet I´m glad to hear those news ^^
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chomp-the-yeti Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009
Oh my I am way off. I should have read the article. I am probably thinking of the parades.
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sC-facTion Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009
YES!!!! YES!!! *rejoices, dancing in the flowers and throwing candy everywhere* YESS!!!
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Contumacious-Rex Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009
Yay! This is AWESOME!

Also :heart: Lily Allen's 'Funk you very much'
[intentional typo]
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OMGNoobAlert Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009
o 3o;; I guess this is Obama trying to gain more support, yes?

I don't think the economy issues make people very happy. :XD:
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ForestEden Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I disagree with the event myself, but if you find it cause for celebration, that's your preference.
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Sayael Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
Indeed I do ^^ Those are awesome news for the human rights
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ForestEden Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Haha, I would disagree with that. :D It's difficult when people see the same situation so differently though.
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Jack-Lilac458 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009  Hobbyist Writer
I fucking almost cried!
This
IS
LE AWESOMENESS!
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resake Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009
Man, I really love Obama. ;A;
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Anoki-Doll Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Now that's exciting!
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Sebbythefreak Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009  Professional Filmographer
There's been gay parades, celebrations, bars and stripper bars as well as even gay olympics where I live, and it's in north america. TBH I just see this as "Well looks like our neighbor are a little late".
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AtalantaAsahoshi Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009
The US is a little slow, I think.
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Shiaine Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
o.o I love that guy. I'm glad the USA has an openminded president for once =]
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S-p-i-t-f-i-r-e Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2009
I don't get why peoples need a "i-don't-know-why" month or day, or anything. i'm not against any sexual preferment, i don't care, everyone can do as he wants. but is this necessary? or is that all for show? I know there is a lot of intolerant people out there, but i don't believe that kind of action can change their mind... Anyway i send love to everyone, i don't mean to be outrageous, sorry if it looks like that :)
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Sayael Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2009  Professional Digital Artist
Its okay, but somehow I think its not that the gays want attention, but THOSE who are against it should get the view what gays have the same rights and sometimes it has to get shoved up their face ^^
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